"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Friday, 14 May 2010

Troops To Kandahar 3

This looks like the final word, so far, on the movement of British troops from Helmand to Kandahar. It's unclear from the article whether the over-riding reason for the decision to leave our troops in Helmand is military or political.

Only yesterday the move was apparently still being considered.  Maj-Gen Nick Carter spoke of the lawlessness in Kandahar province and the proliferation of private security firms working as mercenaries for Taliban warlords.

Who knows how these things work out?  Perhaps tomorrow there'll be another article saying that the move is on again.   Let's hope Liam Fox, the new Secretary of State for Defence, can get a grip on the situation as soon as possible and serve the troops better than Ainsworth & Co.

Troops to Kandahar
Troops to Kandahar 2

Political expediency in military matters isn't new: in related news I see the men of Bomber Command are finally to have a memorial in London's Green Park.  A statue to Sir Arthur 'Bomber' Harris wasn't erected until 1992 and, despite their vital contribution to WW2, the men of Bomber Command were denied a separate campaign medal.  I understand that as of January of this year, an "interdepartmental committee to discuss the issues at length"  (!) has been established.   Bomber Command was awarded nineteen Victoria Crosses, nine of them posthumously.

For those interested in finding out more about Bomber Command, here's a link.

Funds for the memorial are still being raised

30 comments:

  1. AnonymousMay 14, 2010

    i am glad your proud of churchills genocide squad.
    i for one am totally ashamed of there evil unnecessary actions.

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  2. Anon - I'm glad you just excercised your freedom of speech with that comment. 55,000 Men in that 'Genocide Squad' died so that you have that right.

    Now run along. I'm sure you have many other Left Wing causes to froth, foam and rant about Tinkerbell...

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  3. AnonymousMay 14, 2010

    the allies were the only ones to design an aircraft to bomb civilians.
    one word DRESDEN.
    What say you more genocide
    lets all be proud of our murderous heroes.
    these colours dont run.

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  4. @ Anon, read this poem in between re-writing history and then go somewhere else, you're not wanted here.

    "Why do you march Old Man, with medals on your chest?
    Why do you grieve Old Man,for those friends you laid to rest?
    Why do your eyes still gleam Old Man, when you hear the bugles blow?
    Tell me, why do you cry old man for those days so long ago?
    I'll tell you why I march with medals on my chest.
    I'll tell you why I grieve young man those I laid to rest.
    Through misty fields of gossamer silk come visions of distant times,
    When boys of tender age marched forth to distant times.
    We buried them in a blanket shroud, their young flesh scorched and blackened,
    A communal grave, newly gouged in bloodstained gorse and bracken.
    And you ask me why I march young man - I march to remind you all
    That for those apple-blossomed youths,
    You'd never have known freedom at all."

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  5. AnonymousMay 14, 2010

    bombers are brave

    bury your head in the sand
    for queen and country

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  6. GV as I commented in my shop, way back, the tougher the contribution made by ordinary chaps and chaptrice to the defence of this nation the less recognition their nominal leader got.

    I'm reading Enemy Coast Ahead. Right here, right now. 67 years since 617 did the biz this 16/17th May.

    And I quote from my long ago musings "But they are all dead now and what do I find myself surrounded by? A country drowning in racist, misogynist, supremacist, and dilettante goonery of every flavour. Preening and primping their useless and worthless bankrupt lives across the MSM.


    Put ANY of these clowns and clonesses into any situation that all these dead men faced day after day and you’d be sorely disappointed. There would be white flags waving everywhere stained by their own faecal matter. "

    Fuck off anomnibus.

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  7. Anon,
    Tell your mum your dad says "Hi".
    Now f*ck off you illiterate whiney little c*nt.

    As you brought up being brave, it takes a very brave person to leave anonymous insulting comments doesn't it?
    Isn't lunch break over yet?

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  8. You shouldn't dismiss people like anonymous and tell them they're not wanted. Also for the record, "Cold Steel Rain", his views on the matter can not be called left wing. I'm right wing, but mischaracterisation of where people are on the political spectrum, based on nothing other than they said something you don't like, bothers me.

    Simple fact of the matter is what you have here is someone who has been lied to. He has heard nonsense stories, exaggerated and sensationalised and used them as a basis of a belief system which attacks authority and peoples cherished beliefs. He thinks he's very clever, but only because he has been lied to.

    Instead of saying "go away", we should be saying "Tell us where you heard these things", so that we might understand who has lied to him and tackle the problem at the source. You don't want a website full of people who agree all the time.

    So... brave warrior Anonymous, do tell us, where do you get your ridiculous ideas? Let us discuss it in an intelligent, mature, and above all rational manner.

    /

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  9. AnonymousMay 14, 2010

    blinkers on bonbs away
    thankyou for bombing all those iraqi civilians. i was really shitting myself for a minute there.
    i have studied benjamin friedman for one. an alternative view of ww1/ww2.
    But i bow to your superior knowledge as you have obviously been watching such reputed sources as the discovery channel.
    explain how murdering innocents is defending MY nation.
    now switch the telly on and get some more truth ey

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  10. Anon, I'm sorry to say that I honestly don't believe you've read, or studied any genuine sources in your life. In fact, judging by your spelling, I don't think you've even read a book in your life.

    You're using murdering innocents as a reason why the Allies were the bad guys in WW2? Did you ever get to the part in your 'books' about what Hitler and his gang of thugs got up to? Or the Japanese in mainland China?

    We, who regret and feel saddened by civilian casualties, are somehow worse than those who actively sought out to butcher civilians indiscriminately with gleeful smiles? Are you aware of how wrong you are?

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  11. So this is the anti-semitic (ex-Jewish) holocaust denier Benjamin Freedman. Get his name right, you studied him, apparently.
    Well done, you've done all the research your little mind can accept.

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  12. AnonymousMay 14, 2010

    were do you get your sources, you idiot do you question anything you are told.
    so predictable over the deliberate mistake.
    "it may be inconvenient history but england rather than germany initiated the murderous slaughter of bombing civilians thus bringing about retaliation. Night after night, RAF bombers in ever increasing numbers struck throughout germany, usually at working class housing, because it was more densely packed".
    ' The Peoples War'. Angus Calder.London.Jonathan Cape.1969

    Have a look at some of the photos
    very glorifying.
    Great to know there are plenty more inhumane little men left
    idiots

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  13. AnonymousMay 14, 2010

    "As for crimes against humanity, those governments which ordered the destruction of german cities, thereby destroying irreplaceable cultural values and making burning torches out of women and children, should also have stood before the bar of justice." Hon. Jaan Lattik.

    NOW WAKE UP YOU MORONS

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  14. Anon - I appreciate you might be trying to learn something here so learn this - London had already been blitzed - see Coventry also. What were they if not "indiscriminate bombings" of an innocent population? It's ridiculous to begin a war of words about who started it first or my dad's bigger than your dad. It won't wash.

    You sound young. If so, I appreciate your ideology that all war is bad and, in truth, it is. But there comes a time when men stand to be counted in defence of their country. I find your language violent and I'd rather you didn't abuse other commenters here.

    I suggest you read a rounded spectrum of history books and take in both sides of the argument - then you can form one of your own.

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  15. Inhumane? I can't believe what I'm hearing. If you could kill one man to save a thousand would you not do so? If not, you are inhumane. If you would not sanction the deaths of thousands of civilians to prevent the deaths of millions more then you are inhumane.

    You have clearly lost sight of the bigger picture. The Nazis were not some simple foe we engaged a needless war against. You cannot hold the life a single man sacred when he wants to exterminate tens of millions of people across the world for reasons of religion, ethnicity, sexuality or political persuasion.

    Do you realise you are defending the Nazis? Are you a genuine denier of the genocide that took place in Germany, or a troll?

    If you think the Holocaust that occoured in Germany under the Nazis was misrepresented or entirely fabricated please let me know, I'll happily take you on a trip to Germany and prove it to you.

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  16. AnonymousMay 14, 2010

    perhaps they never will

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  17. I appealed to maturity, so now I'll try the opposite, because I found this picture of Mr. Anonymous

    http://img46.yfrog.com/img46/8072/asshatr.jpg

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  18. Let's call an end to this please, it's pointless.

    Anon - I hope you learn with an open mind. Commenters here have made valid points - intellectual and emotional - but you seem closed to anything other than your own belief. I'm sorry for you and your lack of intellectual debate - wrought, no doubt, through 13yrs of socialist re-education.

    If you want to learn something new then stick around, if not - goodbye and don't look back.

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  19. Hi Incoming, I think the fault lies with the way state education has been so limited and proscribed. It's almost a total revision of history from the perspective of the left-wing. There's no such thing as English history in English schools now - it's all about how the baddies went empire-building and war-mongering and why we must be a multi-culti society now to pay for our sins. It's just indoctrination.

    13yrs of Labour govt is going to be hard for this new Con-Dem govt to erase - I don't think they can do it.

    @James - thanks for the input on holocaust-denier Friedman.

    @ Phil - thanks for putting up a cogent argument.

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  20. AnonymousMay 14, 2010

    The Victors write history

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  21. Just thank f*ck the Nazis didn't get a chance to write history then you giant turd.

    They altered the history taught to their own citizens, and lied to them about the present, so just imagine what they could have done given the chance had they won the war.

    Either be sensible of I shall stop replying to you, much to the delight of GV.

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  22. AnonymousMay 14, 2010

    you havent answered the truth again
    the truth will always out
    for crying out loud wake up young man
    THE VICTORS WRITE HISTORY
    you will never shame , berate , mock ,abuse or bomb me into deying the truth
    the clue is in the sentence

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  23. Yes, the victors do write history, because the losers are dead. What an insightful comment. Well done.

    In case you hadn't noticed history is not a solidly written ball of immovable truth, you yourself are proof that there is always people pushing at it, chipping away, changing it.

    Often times this is a good thing, as it puts ideas under intense scrutiny and reveals flaws in thesis that prove an idea is wrong. It is very scientific in that respect.

    So to say the victor writes history and that means it's all a lie is a ridiculous claim in such a free and open society (despite Gordon Browns best attempts - That one's for you, Ma). Only a brutal and repressive dictatorial regime could possibly ever have a hope of controlling information to such an extent that one version of history was solely displayed and was the truth.

    And thus concludes today's lesson on why, "the victors write history", is a stupid sentence that doesn't help your cause one bit.

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  24. AnonymousMay 14, 2010

    brilliant you have answered your own question. a brutal and repressive dictatorial regime is in place , thats why you cant see beyond your own nose , when anything contrary to what has been drilled into you mainly from the telly, surfaces.
    fortunately all the losers as you simplistically describe are not dead, if only we had bombed the lot of em

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  25. You're beyond hope if you believe we live under a brutal and dictatorial regime.

    You believe a lot for which there is no evidence. In fact you believe a lot for which there is strong counter-evidence.

    You're almost as bad as a creationist. Millions of proofs for evolution but you refute it because something you read in a stupid book disagrees, which offers no actual proof of its own.

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  26. AnonymousMay 14, 2010

    bloody imperialists
    iraq not enough proof for you 250000
    people dead. this is in our lifetime.
    phosphorous and uranium bombed onto innocent civilians. water supplies poisoned land rendered useless. while people haarp on about the justifications of our past.then we will never learn from it .
    we bombed all the dictators didnt we.
    afghanistan brutal enough for you.
    iran next i bet you have your arguments and history already written for that. if not never mind there will be a nicely edited little PROGRAM comissioned by brutal dictators
    dont bomb me ilive next door

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  27. Firstly you say "Imperialist" as though it were a dirty world. The world was a better place when 25% of it was painted red.

    Secondly you can't link the struggles in WW2 to the present day war in Iraq. Me justifying WW2 doesn't justify Iraq. I'm sorry that you think it does, but i'm not surprised, as you clearly are an enormous twat.

    Work-time is almost over, so I wont be able to try and set you straight from your delusions anymore, i'll have forgotten about this by tomorrow, and you will still be trapped inside your head, a world created by your paranoia and psychosis.

    So where are we? Listen, and understand. You are out there. You can't be bargained with. You can't be reasoned with. You don't feel pity, or remorse, or sense. And you absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

    So have fun setting up strawmen to knock down from the confines of your mental cage. I doubt we shall ever speak again.

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  28. For heaven's sake, stop! Go somewhere else. Who'd have thought that a memorial to Bomber Harris and our troops not going to Kandahar would have brought this. Either go away or get a room - I don't care.

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  29. AnonymousMay 14, 2010

    home to the news your opinion , safely shared by 85% of the population. Get awake now your life awaits you insiduous adversary.

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