"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Saturday, 23 October 2010

Why Should We Pull Out?

We should pull out because this sort of thing isn't going to go away even when we've left Afghanistan. We're either at war or we are not - there can be no grey areas.  Iraq and Afghanistan have always been grey areas thanks to Blair & Campbell's involvement in the dossier.
"There is an obligation to investigate whenever there are credible allegations torture has happened – and these allegations are more than credible – and then it is up to the courts," he [Manfred Nowak, the UN's special rapporteur on torture] said.
"It is then up to the courts on the one hand to bring the perpetrators to justice and also on the other hand to provide the victims with adequate reparation for the harm they have suffered."
If tptb aren't prepared to support the Armed Forces they send into the line of fire then those Forces should be withdrawn. The UN can't have it both ways; are we at war or are we not?  Are we living in 'the most dangerous times', or are we not?  Hague is playing semantics when he talks about 'security'.  They're shifting the goalposts once again.

It's time governments stopped feeding us pap via the media and let the Forces get on with their job without having to look over their shoulders to count the human rights lawyers.  Either do it, or get out.

I have a feeling that the new EU/UK budget for 'cyber-terrorism' is not unconnected with all of this.  First of all, it's in response to a new EU directive which I posted about last week and, secondly, how convenient it is that when the majority finally begin to think that 'terrorism' is just an excuse for outrageous law-making and access to mineral deposits, they should come up with something else.  The internet is in its sights.

There has to be a better way of government - one that doesn't take the people and our Armed Forces for stupid patsies.

Btw, take a look at this:
"Two students assistants worked tirelessly the days following the attacks in London. They flew over from the Netherlands and distributed hundreds of questionnaires in parks and on streets near the sights where the deplorable bombings had taken place. Over four hundred Londoners participated in the study, and thus shared their feelings, thoughts, and opinions on the events that had unfolded. The participants were asked all sorts of questions, relating to their current emotional and psychological well-being, but also to their attitudes towards counterterrorism measures, to Tony Blair as leader of the country, to the nation and the fact that the city was just chosen to organize the 2012 Olympics, and to Britain as a pluralistic, multicultural society.
We first created a subset of those who reported to feel particularly disturbed by the attacks and those who experienced the events with relative equanimity. We then compared the scores of those high in psychological distress and those low in psychological distress on a number of items. Now, this is not the place to elaborate on the methodological and statistical intricacies of the study but several findings are certainly worthy of sharing."
Have you ever felt like a lab-rat?

Dont forget this (resurrecting Labour's surveillance laws) or this, the website of Frances Guy who is still the British Ambassador to Lebanon despite paying tribute to Hizbollah in July of this year.


  1. No doubt the US will throw a few private soldiers and the odd corporal to the wolves in response to wikileaks(gate?) to excuse their disgraceful behaviour.
    As for Terrorism being one of the Top 4 security issues facing Britain I beg to differ. The most terrorists can do (if they really are terrorists) is damage a few dozen people, the chances of it being me are small and I'm more likely to get run over by a bus. They do this to scare us into accepting this surveillance piffle; well I'm not scared and I don't need your surveillance Mr CamClegg, thank you.

  2. Everything seems back to front with no logicality of 'joined-up' thinking. It worries me that people accept so much surveillance and intrusion into their lives on such spurious grounds - it's a form of state bullying. I can't remember when it was that the British people became so easily cowed.


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