"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Monday, 13 December 2010

Save Our Pubs/Save Our Churches

Once upon a time in a land far away, a pub was a meeting place where people would gather to chat over a drink and, possibly, a smoke. In that same land, a Church was a different kind of meeting place - one where people would gather to reflect on God and Godliness and its place in their daily living.

No more, apparently. Pubs and Churches are in decline owing to a number of factors, all well-chronicled, but, hold your horses, here comes the Cavalry in the form of government and corporate partnerships.

1) The pub as a Post Office:
"If a pub is open from 11 until 11, there is no reason why one cannot buy stamps and get driving licence forms and so on there. There are also aspects such as the internet hub."
"We could use them as libraries, post offices or parcel collection points. They could also be ideal meeting places for groups."
Isn't that what pubs used to be before government interference - "ideal meeting places"?

2) The Church as a corporate 'partner':
Among the recommendations, it ... raises the possibility of introducing cash machines into the buildings. In addition to acting as a shop, it also proposes that churches consider offering others services, including dry cleaning and providing prescriptions.
It's heartening to see that the guidelines suggest that "it may not be suitable to have the stores open during funerals."

The decline of the CofE is probably  because it seems to have lost its marbles. and has little sense of direction.  Former Druid, Archbishop Carey doesn't help matters with his nutty pronouncements.  If I go to Church I certainly don't want to be singing Bono or U2 songs.

Pubs and Churches vying for business, who'd have thought it?  'Suits pressed while-u-pray'.  'Pop in for a pint and pick up your parcel'.

See also Ancient Briton  who puts forward another reason for declining Church attendance.


  1. Hmm... Makes one wonder, once grannies etc have been encouraged to enter pubs/churches for stamps/books/prescriptions, how long it would take the social engineers running this country to start insisting that drinking/worshipping can no longer be allowed in (what is now) the Post Office/Library/Chemists...

  2. Yes GV someone's taking the piss alrighty. I noticed the GGT banging on about Cameron's localism rubbish this morning. Localism means abandonment really to religioKriminalGauleiters and Commissars.

    Cancun earth worship iGREEN.

    Notice that there will be no lack of money coming from PetroDollar fuelled "charities" and foundations, never was, never will be. When crude hits 200 bucks a barrel, localism means Ziggurats on every high street and unbelievers indoors.

    NOAHide is coming and it doesn't taste like the real thing!!

  3. Hello Procrustes, I suppose that's taking it to its logical conclusion of making money above all things. I had an uncle who was a very strict Baptist & refused to attend my wedding because it was in an RC church - you won't find the likes of him stepping into any C of E church to buy stamps or prescriptions. How long before someone cries 'social exclusion!' :-)

    I don't get it,Incoming, on so many levels. If these things are needed why close them down in the first place... You're right about big society/localism - it's a wolf in sheep's clothing but most people only see what's put before them and think it sounds quite a good idea. Yes, noahide - must do some more reading.


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