"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Sunday, 17 April 2011

The Localism Bill/Maastricht Treaty

If you caught the Sunday Round-up earlier you'd know that someone made a comment about EU financial sanctions contained in the government's Localism Bill. To be honest, I'd pretty much ignored it until now, knowing that it was tied into the EU and the devil would be in the detail. Well, the devil has made an appearance and he's wearing a blue rosette. Here's the comment again, from Anyoldiron:
"There are over 400 pages in the Localism Bill. There are 9 pages of EU Fines written in the Localism Bill. Fines to be paid by the NEW Local Organisations. Here are just a few-for goodness sake wake up to what is happening to your Country by EU laws put through by the Political Parties YOU elected.

Part 2
30 EU Fines. Power to require local or public authorities to make payments in respect of certain EU financial sanctions.

(1) In this part “EU financial sanction” means a lump sum or penalty payment (or both) imposed after the commencement of this Part by the Court of Justice of the European Union under Article 260 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union

(2) A Minister of the Crown may require a local or public authority to make a payment of an amount determined by the Minister in respect of any EU financial sanction imposed on the United Kingdom.

(3) The requirement to make a payment under this Part must be imposed by an EU financial sanction notice under section 32 given by the Minister to the Authority concerned after complying with the requirements of section 31.

(4) The Secretary of State must publish (and may from time to time revise and republish) a statement of policy with respect to the imposition of requirements to make payments under this Part and the determination of the amount of the sums required to be paid.

(5) In deciding how to exercise functions under this Part in relation to an EU financial sanction imposed on the United Kingdom the Minister must have regard to the statement of policy most recently published at the time when the EU financial sanction was imposed.

(6) If an EU financial sanction notice is registered in accordance with rules of court of any practice direction, it is enforceable in the same manner as an order of the High Court.
32 EU financial sanction notices

(1) A Minister of the Crown may give an EU financial sanction notice to a local or public authority in relation to an EU financial sanction imposed on the United Kingdom only if the Minister is satisfied that acts of the authority caused or contributed to the infraction of EU law for which that financial sanction was imposed.
(2) An EU financial sanction notice must—
(a) specify the amount required to be paid by the authority,
(b) specify the EU financial sanction to which the notice relates,
(c) specify any act of the authority which is regarded as having caused or contributed to the infraction of EU law for which that financial sanction was imposed;
(d) set out the Minister’s reasons---
(i) for requiring the authority to make a payment in respect of the financial sanction, and
(ii) for specifying the amount required to be paid,
(e) specify how and to whom the payment must be made, and
(f) specify the period within which the payment is required to be made.
Our fears are realised; far from devolving "power to the people", the Localism Bill is yet another link in the chain of enslavement to the EU. Cameron and his Ministers, who we elected, are a pack of lying, cheating, traitorous b@st@rds, to put it mildly. Cameron 's 'Big Society' scam always did fit in just a little too conveniently with the structure of the EU.
The Localism Bill will put an end to the hoarding of power within central government and top-down control of communities, allowing local people the freedom to run their lives and neighbourhoods in their own way.

The Bill, laid before Parliament today, contains a radical package of reforms that will devolve greater power and freedoms to councils and neighbourhoods, establish powerful new rights for communities, revolutionise the planning system, and give communities control over housing decisions.

The legislation will help build the Big Society by radically transforming the relationships between central government, local government, communities and individuals.

For councils the Bill will fundamentally change their freedom to act in the interest of their local communities through a new general power of competence. Rather than needing to rely on specific powers, the new power will give councils the legal reassurance and confidence to innovate, drive down costs to deliver more efficient services.
Here's the government's 'Plain English' Guide comprising only 17 pages as opposed to 400 in the full Bill and 9 pages detailing EU fines - anyone relying on the PE Guide would be left completely in the dark (mushrooms anyone?)

The Bill in full
Progress of the Bill through Parliament
Government reneges on Third Party Right of Appeal pledge

I had intended to catch up with Private Eye this afternoon but I'll have to see what I can do to wade through these poxy documents instead. Happy Sunday!

Further reading that may be of interest:
Hansard 1st Feb 1993:
"For as long as a person is a British national, that person will be a European citizen, under the terms of the treaty and the Bill. As was said earlier, if someone wishes to renounce British nationality, certain

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consequences will follow ; but there is no separate provision whereby a person can remain a United Kingdom national but renounce citizenship of the European union."
On the Queen as a citizen of the European Union:
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Mr. Shepherd : Is it the Home Secretary's understanding that the Queen becomes a citizen of the union of Europe under the provisions of the Bill? ...
Mr. Clarke : I shall give further consideration to that question, but I do not see why not.
Mr. Shepherd : She must do.
Mr. Clarke : The Queen is undoubtedly a British national. She, being a national of the United Kingdom, is likely to become a citizen of the European union. [Interruption.] I shall reflect upon that point, but I very much suspect that that is the position. I do not believe that we should expand upon the position of the monarch at length, but I do not see why the Queen should be any more fearful of that prospect than anybody else is likely to be.
On a European Army:
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"There is absolutely no suggestion of our Government, or any Government, contemplating forming a European army. There is no treaty obligation on us to do so. There is absolutely no question of this country being committed to war through a process to which we have not consented."
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"The idea that the foreign policy of the United Kingdom or the foreign policy which the United Kingdom has agreed to in alliance with its allies and the rest of the European union imposes personal obligations and duites is extremely limited. As my hon. Friend the Member for Wolverhampton, South -West (Mr. Budgen) said a moment ago, it can be treason to work contrary to the United Kingdom's security policy."
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"No hon. Member can claim, while keeping a straight face, that we are entering into any obligation to merge our Army, our Air Force or our Navy with anyone else's army, air force or navy. "
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Sir Ivan Lawrence: "How many people would have voted for me if I had knocked on doors at the last general election and said, "Please vote for me because I want to surrender power to the European Parliament. I do not want the Westminster Parliament to have the powers which it has at the moment. I want fewer powers. I want to give people the right to petition a European Parliament and to oblige the European Parliament to oblige a Euro- citizen in Britain to go along such a path"? We are talking about the surrender of power away from a Westminster Parliament. That is my bottom line. What moves me most about the Maastricht treaty is the surrender of power away from the Westminster Parliament. People have not been consulted, and I know perfectly well that they do not want it. "
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Mr. Nicholas Winterton : "In this debate, Front-Bench Members are not coming clean with the Committee. Hon. Members are therefore unable to come clean with the people about the way in which citizenship is being fundamentally altered, ratchetwise--especially by this treaty. Will my hon. and learned Friend direct his attention to that matter? Surely it is quite wrong to change the status and role of citizenship without informing the people of what is being done in their name, especially as it appears that Front-Bench Members on both sides do not themselves know what is in the treaty."
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Mr. Gould :  I refer to the position of Her Majesty the Queen. The Home Secretary was quite unable to answer a question about whether the Bill, if it became an Act, would bind the Queen in any way. Would she, as a British national, become a citizen of the European union? The Minister of State read out what I imagine was a note prepared for him by his civil servants, but it hardly answered the question. I suppose that it could be argued that the Queen is beyond the reach of this Bill. That would be odd, because I think that the Minister of State confirmed that she would be a beneficiary of the rights of European citizenship. It must therefore follow that she will incur the duties of European citizenship--that she owes some sort of allegiance by virtue of it. It is a remarkable thought that the Queen, the supreme citizen of our political entity, would owe allegiance to some higher, wider authority.
I profess no infallibility on these questions ; I merely point to possible interpretations, and this is what the law and the treaty appear to point to. We must therefore imagine a sort of sub-monarch in a sub-state, owing allegiance to some wider state. It follows that the debate on which we appear to be embarking may be entirely beside the point. The issue of whether a diminished monarchy would be good or bad may be beyond the competence of this House and the British people. It may be resolved by the treaty of Maastricht and the introduction of the citizenship of the European union.
At the very least we should be clear that we have created a new form of citizenship which is a relationship with a superior body of law and a wider geographical entity : a super-state. That relationship must be superior to the relationship that we all enjoy with the British state. 
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Mr Spearing:  Oh yes, this is the most important speech that we have heard so far. Does my hon. Friend recall that when the original legislation was passed the then Prime Minister, the right hon. Member for Old Bexley and Sidcup (Sir E. Heath) said that the position of the Crown was not affected, forgetting that direct legislation circumvented both this House and the Royal Assent--so the position of the Crown was most certainly affected?

And pages and pages more.  I''m sorry the post is so long - I just got carried away.  This fascinating debate concerned amendments to the Maastricht Treaty, tabled by Tony Blair, and the un-named quotes above come from Ken Clarke, then Home Secretary.  It reads as if it was a raucous debate with many interventions.  At the time, of course, the majority of the Labour MPs were against Maastricht and the EU.  The enduring and indomitable Bill Cash makes several appearances.

There's more truth to be found in historical documents than you'll ever find in today's Parliament or today's msm where everything is hidden or partly-obscured.  It's alarming how today's MPs have become so docile.

A stumbled-upon website: This is our land
The Security Services & Treason: the murder of Airey Neave; oaths; complicity in High Treason; Misprision of Treason.
EU regionalism and historic Nazism


  1. Excellent, excellent excellent GV!

    Have linked and quoted from it.

    Damn fine piece of work.

  2. Thank you, Mr W - it certainly makes for interesting reading when you delve into it. Hansard is a mine of truth.

  3. OMG, Will the deception ever end? This is truly f**king unbelievable. Still, more ammo for UKIP.

  4. I don't even understand the English. Is it English? I'm not thick, it's just not understandable, is it?

  5. Your link to "This is our Land". What a lovely site. I must have a good read of that one. Is this how you spend your Sundays? Trawling Hansard:)

    You have the patience of a saint!

    Sorry to keep posting....

    Hope you are well!

  6. FHS Sue don't apologise - and yes, you're right, I am a miserable old sod who spends Sundays checking out Hansard ;-)

    Btw try googling freedomnation as well.


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